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February 27, 2008

Supporting Obama, sympathetic with Nader

I can't disagree with much of what Ralph Nader says. I agree with him about "political bigotry" from liberals ridiculing his campaign rather than tending to facets of their own that cause left-liberal votes to peel off. I think Atrios, Josh Marshall, and many others just fall into pit of blind nonsense where Nader is concerned.

Take this truculent column by Reed Hundt, carried somewhere in the vast TPM site. Hundt says Nader "doesn't deserve attention." What a stupid position if what you're concerned about is Nader peeling votes off the Democrat. Hundt writes Nader "has no credibility on issues." To who?

In my metal ears, Nader speaks consistently, directly, and positively to issues of peace, human rights, corporate power, consumer protection, etc., etc., etc. What does Hundt think about all this? That we should let the corporation agenda of overlord authoritarianism just own the Democrat? And we should vote for the Democrat simply because she is not the Republican. Hundt's is a debased, hopeless, conscienceless, top-down, non-participatory politics. Why should a Nader (or Kucinich, or Gravel, for that matter) not continue to challenge the front runners all the way? I'll stand for Obama, but I'll never stop challenging him. We'll find out if Obama is serious about participation, or if he is just a tool. Nader being there on the ballot and in the game will do nothing but help.

Let's take a look at some of what Nader is saying. I think this exchange from his announcement on Russert's program (Feb. 24) particularly is pithy:
RALPH NADER: Well, first of all, compare my Web site, votenader.org, and all the issues that Mr. Obama and Senator Clinton and Mr. McCain are not addressing that are supported by a majority of the American people. A majority of the American people support these issues. They want foreign and military policy not to just be an aggressive military situation.

But Senator Obama is a person of substance. He's also the first liberal evangelist in a long time. He's run a brilliant tactical campaign. But his better instincts and his knowledge have been censored by himself. And I give you the example, the Palestinian-Israeli issue, which is a real off the table issue for the candidates. So don't touch that, even though it's central to our security and to, to the situation in the Middle East. He was pro-Palestinian when he was in Illinois before he ran for the state Senate, during he ran--during the state Senate. Now he's, he's supporting the Israeli destruction of the tiny section called Gaza with a million and a half people. He doesn't have any sympathy for a civilian death ratio of about 300-to-1; 300 Palestinians to one Israeli. He's not taking a leadership position in supporting the Israeli peace movement, which represents former Cabinet ministers, people in the Knesset, former generals, former security officials, in addition to mayors and leading intellectuals. One would think he would at least say, "Let's have a hearing for the Israeli peace movement in the Congress," so we don't just have a monotone support of the Israeli government's attitude toward the Palestinians and their illegal occupation of Palestine.

TIM RUSSERT: But would you prefer, as an American citizen, to have Barack Obama or John McCain as president?

NADER: What I prefer as an American citizen?

RUSSERT: Yes.

NADER: You're asking me? I'm running for president, for heaven's sake.

RUSSERT: But as a citizen.

NADER: I would prefer that the American people organize, that whoever is in president--is president, they give that person backbone.
Yes, Obama is flawed, in some ways deeply. But he’s different in that he energizes people to action and, unlike Nader, just might win. That’s opposite of the Republican pattern, which is to crush people. I have to go with that this time around. It's dangerous for the overlord authority, even a possible Obama government itself. That is good for America, at least for now. It could and probably will all fall flat, but there is some potential, isn’t there?

Meanwhile, most of my energy goes into anti-war organizing. I’ll take any opening for that Obamania can offer.

I want to add here that I'm not too keen on what I'll call a "Naderite" orthodoxy either, that suggests a people are conscienceless if they do NOT leave the Democrats and vote for Nader or other minor candidate. On that end of the spectrum is THIS piece by Michael Colby from Vermont. Now let me say that I do agree with a bunch of what Colby says. However, I find his frame of the "intolerant mob" of scary "faux-liberal" puppet masters the same distance off the mark, but at 180 degrees, from the way Marshall and Hundt are off the mark. I love Colby's writing, but I think this piece is pretty unhelpful as an organizing call, for Nader or anyone else.

But, even though I’m not voting for him, I am 100% behind Nader running and giving his best shot to score anti-war votes and educate the public on the debased politics of Israel, corporate power, environmental destruction, impeachment and on and on. I will not accept that my conscience is faulty, that I’m some sort of “fundamentalist” –consumed by liberal orthodoxy that I don’t even believe myself–if I don’t vote Nader this time (like I have twice in the past).

Comments to the Colby piece decry liberal-Democratic sites like Daily Kos for being "high school." I’m just as concerned as any decent peace person would be about empty, audacious rhetoric and the cultish personality worship you do see at places like Daily Kos. But at least those are people who care enough to engage and write something. We NEED THAT, even if the entirety of it looks ignorant and debased. I don’t think it is in the long run.

Cripes, I would LOVE it if some of the very excellent people of conscience who populate a pretty strong anti-war consensus here in Maine could be moved to engage more in some sort of online community. Or even just write more for local papers. Hell, I’ve been posting stuff at my blogs, deepblade.net (inactive) and Maine Owl for five years, and my media site, peacecast.us. There is precious little traffic, and about zero engagement by peace people. I’d give anything for 0.01% of Kos’s or Atrios’s traffic.

Comments

This piece in the New Yorker from 2004 sums up Ralph Nader best.

http://www.newyorker.com/ar...

Posted by on February 27, 2008 at 16:51

I remember this piece and as much as I often like Hertzberg, it basically is full of shit. "More than any other single person, Ralph Nader is responsible..." Come on, if you have a grasp of stochastic processes, you know that if you re-ran a model of the events of 2000, there are dozens of variables the slightest tweak on any of which could have changed the outcome, from the design of the Electoral College to Christopher's advice on the recount strategy that left Scalia an opening a truck named Bush v. Gore drove through. Maybe we should blame the legislature of New Hampshire that sat in 1804 and ratified the 12th Amendment to put the "modern" electoral college over the top. Or what about the Jews for Buchanan? Or caging of black voters? Going the other way, does any of that even come into play without the Maine drunk driving story, before which the polls clearly were breaking for Bush?

Look, Nader's obviously a factor in 2000, but I would argue much less so than a whole series of terrible strategic blunders by Gore.

Then we could visit the whole area of liberal "entitlement" against vote splitting off the left. That's a crazymaking notion in my view. It says that no peace person is allowed to vote against a liberal hawk like Gore certainly was in 2000, and Kerry was in 2004. Hell, Obama is rattling on "strike" "strike" "strike" "strike" the last couple days. Makes me wonder if I've lost my mind supporting him. If he stops throwing me the bones he has been until recently, I might end up re-evaluating.

Voting is suppose to be about CONSCIENCE, supposedly a liberal value. Where Nader is concerned, a lot of so-called liberals seem to have forgotten their values.

Posted by The Owl on February 28, 2008 at 01:38

I took much different take from the piece - that Nader's ego led him on a Quixotic run; his previous accomplishments, of which there are many, were not match for this new obsession.

That's all.

Posted by on February 28, 2008 at 09:16

Sure, Nader has an ego. Let's measure everyones' who runs for president and set a standard, if it's too big, you're disqualified. I can't recall, but did anyone ever complain about Perot's ego? I suppose some did.

All right, let's take on the notion that Nader's life was basically of value in the sixties and early seventies, and afterward, not really. Then he singlehandedly destroyed his own accomplishments by running for president, and then making Bush president in 2000. That's just crazy talk.

There was a full-scale frontal assault all through the nineties on the regulatory structure & New Deal. Wasn't a Republican president who "accomplished" all that. Look at NAFTA, for God sake. Olympia Snowe was better than Al Gore on that. This of course deserves a longer analysis, but the bottom line is that it wasn't so fucking unreasonable for a person of conscience on the left in 2000 to seek to vote somewhere other than Democrat.

Posted by The Owl on February 28, 2008 at 10:28
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